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Jul 15, 2009 13:09:25 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 15, 2009 13:09:25 GMT -8
Until I see something different I am sticking with the theory that it is all a facade and smokescreen. And Benita has been set up, IMO
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Jul 15, 2009 13:25:32 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 15, 2009 13:25:32 GMT -8
Well looks that way. But really makes no sense. Because the appearance would be a set up to fail, but why?
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Jul 15, 2009 13:26:51 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 15, 2009 13:26:51 GMT -8
I'm failing to understand this either but seeing it the same way you are zoser. All talk. No walk.
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Jul 15, 2009 14:28:40 GMT -8
Post by balance on Jul 15, 2009 14:28:40 GMT -8
I agree with the group, but have no understanding of the process. and it all makes no sense. We didn't even get to the starting line in the final last year. Everyone says it was a failure. Why wouldn't they t have this planned out to the letter to avoid a repeat of last year.
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Jul 17, 2009 5:56:23 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 17, 2009 5:56:23 GMT -8
Back to trying to piece together a winning squad, I've been watching some of these races in Europe and you know who should get some consideration is Ivory Williams. Williams is running as well as anyone outside of Tyson. He could end up being that 4th piece - to go with Crawford, Tyson, and Doc. At least for the squad in my mind.
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Jul 17, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 17, 2009 13:41:40 GMT -8
Now see SL if you are going to include Ivory then we will use Mike Rodgers. Rodgers has run faster than Ivory and runs a better race overall. The difference between them right now is that Rodgers has gone back to train.
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Jul 19, 2009 11:37:26 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 19, 2009 11:37:26 GMT -8
Mmmm .. Close call on that one. Ivory finishes better. Yes Rodgers has a better overall race - but we're not talking about the 100. I like Ivory up and running better. Rodgers has a great start and transition. But after that his race is quite flawed. Ivory, on the other hand, is weak early, but much better when he is out of transition. Fortunately in the relay, drive phase and transition is only important on one leg!
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Jul 21, 2009 6:16:23 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 21, 2009 6:16:23 GMT -8
OK, time to really spice up the conversation. Now that we've talked the US men to death, how about adding the women AND the Jamaican squads to the conversation!
Felix ran 11.08 yesterday which puts her in the picture - no start but closes like a house a fire. She's run on the relay in the past, so not a stretch. Could go with Lauryn Williams to Felix to Muna Lee to Jeter. Williams and Muna run the best turns so not sure can make many changes on those legs, but could stake a case for Hooker or Anderson on the backstretch - especially since Anderson will be the freshest sprinter on the track.
Jamaica women not sure. Fraser, Stewart, and VCB but who after that and what order? They really don't have turn runners per se - maybe Stewart. Funny I saw an article in the Jamaica Gleaner talking about them running under 41 seconds but I'm not sure they even have a fourth. I think we match up very well against them.
Jamaica men will probably run Bolt and Powell third and anchor. Based on how their athletes are running I would think we'll see Yohan Blake to Steve Mullings to Bolt to Powell. Could go with Frater down the backstretch but not sure he would bring more than Mullings at this point.
That presents interesting match ups. Haven't seen Crawford lately but still like him on leadoff. Backstretch now becomes THE key leg in my opinion. Tyson and Bolt on third should be a wash with the handoff being key. I think Crawford can beat anyone else around the turn so having a solid handoff and getting a bit of room here will be important. Doc here? Then figure out who to bring it home - hoping to give that person a few meters on Powell? Doc second and anchor Ivory? Or maybe Rae. Would like to see Rodgers at this point, see if he can make a case. But needs to be running sub10 right now. Need to see Rae too and Spearmon . If he's running under 20 I'd stick with Crawford to Spearmon to Tyson to Doc. That would be a winner. Sometimes having too many options can be as bad as not having enough.
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Jul 21, 2009 8:32:36 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 21, 2009 8:32:36 GMT -8
Lauryn seems to be a lock for 1st leg.
Felix will be in her usual spot: 2nd leg.
That combo ran at Penn Relays.
Lee would be the pick for 3rd leg but she'll be doubling and rumor is that she's injured. She won't be in London this Friday for the 4x1.
Jeter will anchor it.
What's odd to me is there is no shortage of straight runners (Jet, Felix, Hooker, Alex) but somewhat of slim pickings for the curves...or more importantly, 3rd leg outside of Muna.
The 8 women that will make up the 2 relays in London are Jet, Lauryn, Hooker, Felix, Anderson, Jessica Young, Solomon and Bianca Knight. Knight is an interesting case in that she was supposed to have shut her season down due to an injury and was called over to London last minute (last Thursday or Friday I believe).
Not sure who will run on what relay but we'll see how it pans out. I assume they'll load one relay as always...probably Lauryn-Felix-Knight/Solomon-Jeter...and the other something similar to Young-Anderson/Hooker-Solomon/Knight-Hooker/Anderson.
Now assuming Muna comes back to good health, what 6 do you run in Berlin and who runs what legs in the heat and in the final?
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Jul 21, 2009 8:34:01 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 21, 2009 8:34:01 GMT -8
Jamaican women are pretty clear cut to me:
Fraser-Brooks-VCB-Stewart
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Fraser-Stewart-Bailey-VCB
I think the first lineup is probably their best...with VCB running 3rd. We'll see though.
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Jul 21, 2009 8:34:45 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 21, 2009 8:34:45 GMT -8
Jamaican men I see as:
(Take your pick)-Blake-Bolt-Powell
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Jul 21, 2009 8:39:45 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 21, 2009 8:39:45 GMT -8
Similarly to the women, the men will have one person who figures to be on the final relay not in London. Doc will be in Barcelona and received a waiver for such since his deal was in place before USATF and Doug Logan met with the agents in Eugene.
They've been pretty secretive about who's on the men's side of things but I would expect to see Tyson, Rodgers, Rae, Crawford, Spearmon, Trammell, Dix (maybe...know he's in the pool...not sure if he got a pass for health reasons) and Leroy in London. Who runs what leg on what relay is beyond me.
Similarly with the women, assuming Doc is on the final relay in Berlin, who do you run on what leg and who do you run in each round?
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Jul 21, 2009 13:07:45 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 21, 2009 13:07:45 GMT -8
Let's see. If Muna is out that changes things a bit. I guess Knight for third leg. Would rather have Hooker out there but she just doesn't run that curve the way you really need. If she's ok, I think you go with Lauryn-Allyson-Muna-Jeter for your final, and go Lauryn-Alex-Knight-Jeter in the prelim. Alex and Knight will be fresh and the 200 runners get a breather.
For the Jamaica women I think the two lineups you gave are a toss up. I hear what you're saying about VCB and the turn, just not sure Brooks would get it done and I think Bailey could hold her own on third. Having said that I hope they go with the Brooks line up!
Jamaica men, Mulllings has been their most consistent "second tier" sprinter so I see him on the squad. Not sure how they go lead off and backstretch, though I tend to think Mullings is better on the straight than on the turn.
As for the US men, if that is the pool AND Dix is Walter then I run Dix-Rodgers-Rae-Doc in the first round, and Dix-Spearmon-Tyson-Doc in the final. That gives the 200 men a breather. Odd man out then is Crawford. If Dix isn't Walter then I have to go with Crawford or Rodgers on lead off. My preference is Crawford, but Rodgers will be fresher. Though Crawford won't be running the 100 and so running the deuce and coming back for a relay leg may not be too taxing - old school they only ran one squad - 60's and 70's!
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Jul 25, 2009 8:48:20 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 25, 2009 8:48:20 GMT -8
Oh boy! Straight talk. That relay means nothing to the Berlin race. Racers TC only has Bolt that will be on the track come Berlin, if the rumors are true and Blake is one of the 5. However, that was one helluva a run by them. Impressive run.
Meanwhile, Wallace represented himself very well on that backstretch. I really cannot see anyone displacing him out there, and I am highly concerned about our anchor position. We are not stacked and I am not seeing the personality needed to handle the pressure the Jamaicans will bring on anchor.
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Jul 25, 2009 19:00:32 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 25, 2009 19:00:32 GMT -8
Wallace ran a very nice leg. And as I've maintained from the start, he and Tyson should go 2,3. That said we need a lead off and anchor. Still say Crawford lead, Doc anchor. Crawford can outrun all but Bolt and Tyson on leadoff. Doc has the temerament to anchor.
Powell should be the Jamaican anchor, and he is not faster than Doc once both are up and running. The key will be Crawford to Wally - how much can they gain. Blake is one of the five so should not be in Berlin. That takes care of that.
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