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Jul 10, 2009 6:55:10 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 10, 2009 6:55:10 GMT -8
Man what I heard about this relay is just as messy as before. The knee jerk reaction of those in charge has created some back in the day decisions. From what I have gathered, Dix is still in play, so we are now creating relay team spots, and Terrence is in the pool over regular sprinters. The London relays are subpar at best but they are also the 8 men being considered for the relay spots. I hope my intel is flawed and we put our best team on the track, but I have little faith in those making decisions.
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Jul 10, 2009 7:23:45 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 10, 2009 7:23:45 GMT -8
I said in the very beginning this is a no brainer - but dang it they will find a way.
Dix works, BUT it goes outside the rules as I know them. We can do just fine with what we've talked about before. Crawford and Tyson on lead and third. Anchor Doc. Probably Rae on backstretch - Wally if he's running 19.8 or better.
Terrence needs to focus on Robles. That look on Rodgers face in Lausanne said enough for me.
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Jul 10, 2009 18:20:16 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 10, 2009 18:20:16 GMT -8
Well we shall see what happens. I am not a fan of what I see coming, and I remain optimistic about the end result. However, without a central figure to go to to follow this thing, I do not see how the issue was solved.
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Jul 11, 2009 5:27:09 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 11, 2009 5:27:09 GMT -8
You would think that after last year there would be incentive to get this thing right
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Jul 11, 2009 6:35:22 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 11, 2009 6:35:22 GMT -8
We all want to get it right, but the changing of the guard was flawed, the information was biased, the interpretation was limited by the information gathered, and no one talked to the man in charge until after the fact. Folks did not do their due diligence and made knee jerk reactions. So whereas the current system is what got us the previous system we have gone back to the current system that caused all the confusion and losses in the 90s. Worse than that is no one knows where you can call to get real answers. Fitzgerald is the woman in charge but she is not the boots on the ground person, she is relying on the team coaches to be her eyes and ears. Guess what, the current mens coach was one of the people that made the relay decisions in Beijing. So as you can see those that actually do this thing, athletes and coaches, are not seeing the improvement. As a matter of fact, it has gone backwards because communication is minimal. And trust is less than it was last year.
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Jul 12, 2009 8:11:30 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 12, 2009 8:11:30 GMT -8
From what I hear we might get close to what I think would be optimal. Tyson, Doc, Rodgers, Rae sounds like it might be the squad. No order. Personally I like this one: theviewfromthefinishline.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-win-4x1-in-berlin.htmlRodgers/Rae/Tyson/Doc would be close. I'm afraid that the politicking will try to put Tyson on anchor and you don't win relays from behind.
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Jul 12, 2009 9:02:14 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 12, 2009 9:02:14 GMT -8
I do not think anyone wants Tyson anchor actually. That order looks doable just not sure it is a winning combo
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Jul 14, 2009 6:06:07 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 14, 2009 6:06:07 GMT -8
Now you know how the politicking goes. We saw Tyson on anchor last year (after his devastating third leg in Osaka)! Managers, coaches, shoe companies, they all want to see their man on anchor - and Tyson is the man of the moment on the US scene. Everyone seems to stop thinking about "where people fit best" and putting together a "team".
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Jul 14, 2009 8:07:15 GMT -8
Post by balance on Jul 14, 2009 8:07:15 GMT -8
Does anyone have any iinformation on who the women are going to run for the US and Jamaica?
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Jul 14, 2009 8:38:33 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 14, 2009 8:38:33 GMT -8
Man what I heard about this relay is just as messy as before. The knee jerk reaction of those in charge has created some back in the day decisions. From what I have gathered, Dix is still in play, so we are now creating relay team spots, and Terrence is in the pool over regular sprinters. The London relays are subpar at best but they are also the 8 men being considered for the relay spots. I hope my intel is flawed and we put our best team on the track, but I have little faith in those making decisions. Can you spell out the men's and women's "pool" currently for us...I mean not the final 6 but the 8-10. I know they've been named/informed but its a little more secretive than it was last year. As for London...Doc won't be there...he'll be in Barcelona and was granted a waiver for such since he had committed to Barcelona back in May and the London/Cottubus relay thing was dropped on everyone in late June.
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Jul 14, 2009 12:43:57 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 14, 2009 12:43:57 GMT -8
Well that makes London rather meaningless since Doc should be a key part of the team. Do they have 8 - 10 in the pool t his year? There is a lot of "secretness" this time around. Mostly just hear about the cats that will be getting the medals - the top 6.
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Jul 14, 2009 13:09:00 GMT -8
Post by wfh on Jul 14, 2009 13:09:00 GMT -8
My point exactly. Problem with London is Logan tried to pull a fast one by agreeing that U.S. athletes would go to London and run in Ian's meet without being paid.
Folks balked at this hence some opting for Barcelona.
Logan had to back off that stance and then ultimately London became an "official" relay spot but what were they gonna do? Punish a proven vet for what he was not made aware of until well after he already entered in an agreement? I think not.
Not sure if anyone else is in a similar boat.
I wouldn't be shocked to see some of the women not run in London either due to "injury."
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Jul 14, 2009 14:43:33 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 14, 2009 14:43:33 GMT -8
Well London isn't a "prime" location for starters. Secondly Logan should know that the athletes make their Europe plans in advance - which means his plans for camps or anything else need to be set even before that! The athletes should have known going into Nationals what the requirements would be for relay duty - including which meets needed to be signed up for etc.
Given that the relays were given "priority" status based on the "Report" this is something that should have been set well before June.
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Jul 14, 2009 22:45:39 GMT -8
Post by zoser on Jul 14, 2009 22:45:39 GMT -8
This is a complete reversal of what was in place and all the way back to why the High Performance program was originally created. Now what?! This is a cluster@$#%. The pool is a secret, athletes are rebeling, and no one is out there talking. In the past we knew it was Brooks, he told coaches and athletes where he wanted them and contrary to the report there was a certainty to who was running. Decisions were made in a fluid manner to try and ensure we had the best team out there. But if you listen to some you would swear none of this was happening. Project 30 kneejerk reaction has resulted in a mess. Who is in charge? Who is making decisions? And when do we get to know what is going on? So far it is a secret, and was this not a major complaint cited?
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Jul 15, 2009 11:42:54 GMT -8
Post by sprint logic on Jul 15, 2009 11:42:54 GMT -8
Well I find it very irritating, especially on the heals of "The Report" and the pledge to improve these things. Isn't this a big part of why Benita was hired? If so, and it really is, this is not a very good start to her tenure.
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